Kail Lowry is held nothing back when she finally told her version of events about what ended her good relationship with Vee Torres— and, eventually, their joint podcast.
Weeks after Kail and Vee announced they were ending their Baby Mamas No Drama (BMND) podcast after four years, Kail took to one of her Barely Famous podcast to reveal why BMND came to an end and why she and Vee–- the wife of Kail’s first baby daddy, Jo Rivera, and stepmom to Kail’s son Isaac–- “should have never started a co-parenting podcast” in the first place.
As The Ashley previously told you, after weeks of recording episodes of their podcast separately, Kail and Vee finally announced last month that BMND was ending, with both hosts providing different (and rather vague) explanations to listeners as to why they had decided to pull the plug. The day after announcing the end of BMND, Kail revealed that she and her formerly estranged friend Becky Hayter were launching a new podcast called Karma & Chaos, garnering Kail plenty of hate for the way she publicly handled the situation with Vee.
On the latest episode of Barely Famous, Kail welcomed guest Lindsie Chrisley– her Coffee Convos podcast co-host– for a “necessary” episode to discuss the topic of transparency, specifically relating to BMND.
Before getting into their discussion, both Kail and Lindsie told listeners they were “tired of” receiving DMs and seeing social media comments speculating the reason why BMND ended, with Kail saying that she believed the problem was that neither she nor Vee had been fully transparent about what happened, leading people to “make assumptions” and “come up with their own narrations.”
“ … and I think that after we get through this month of episodes, I never want to talk about any of this ever again,” Kail said, claiming that she was “tired” and “cannot spend any more time convincing people what is the truth.”
Kail proceeded to tell her version of how BMND started, claiming that in 2019 or 2020, Vee sent her a text proposing they team up for a co-parenting podcast called Baby Mamas No Drama. While Kail said she believed BMND would be an extension of her and Vee’s co-parenting relationship, she now has some resentment, as she believes she was “presented this podcast under false pretenses.” She then brought up some of the comments Vee made regarding privacy on the final episode of BMND.
“When I listened to the ‘End of an Era’ episode of Baby Mamas No Drama and Vee is sad and Vee is crying and Vee is talking about the privacy of her family, I call bulls**t,” Kail said. “That was really, really upsetting because I came off very abrasive …
“I think my tone should have been different, but also people needed to listen to what I was saying,” Kail continued. “I was presented this idea under false pretenses. You don’t come to me and say that we’re going to start a co-parenting podcast and then say that you didn’t want to share because you wanted to protect your family’s privacy. That goes against the entire reason to have the podcast to begin with.”
Kail mentioned the criticism she’s received for claiming recently that she and Vee were never friends nor co-parents, while insisting that both claims are true.
“I’m not saying that to be a d**k,” Kail said. “That is the truth. We don’t co-parent and we were not friends. We never have been.”
Kail told listeners there’s a difference between being friendly and being friends, and because the former describes how her relationship with Vee was at the time, the two of them “should have never started a co-parenting podcast.” According to Kail, Vee has “always had a lack of role in co-parenting,” but that became much clearer to her when BMND was ending. Kail said in hindsight, she realizes Vee “was never co-parenting.”
Still, Kail said Vee is not solely at fault for what went on between the two of them and admits she should have spoken to Vee about her feelings sooner. Kail claims she didn’t speak up earlier because she believed things would get better between her and Vee and that they would eventually become friends.
Over the course of BMND’s run, however, Kail said she and Vee didn’t have conversations that weren’t business-related, nor did they even talk about co-parenting until the last year or so. Kail insists that she never expects anyone to “air out their dirty laundry,” but because she and Vee were hosting a co-parenting podcast, she expected them both to be transparent about the struggles that come with that dynamic.
“ … We should be able to say, ‘OK, Vee and I just recently went through a huge struggle with co-parenting. Here’s the gist of it and here’s how we worked through it,’” Kail said. “That is the level that I would have been comfortable with, but that wasn’t even being done. It was very much like, ‘I can’t speak on Jo, I can’t speak on his behalf, I can’t speak for him … .’ But I was expected to give Baby Mamas No Drama my pregnancies, my relationship … .”
Kail said she would try to bring up certain things on the podcast, only for Vee to “shut it down.”
Due to the lack of co-parenting discussions that took place on what was supposed to be a co-parenting podcast, Kail said BMND “became the Temu version of Coffee Convos very quickly.”
She also claimed that when she and Vee would talk about other people’s co-parenting relationships on the show, listeners “picked up on it very quickly” that something was wrong because she and Vee were only talking about other people’s co-parenting issues and never their own.
When comparing BMND to Coffee Convos and their respective co-hosts, Kail said Lindsie already had her own following going into their podcast, whereas “Vee came in with a following that already came from me.”
“Her following started from me being on 16 and Pregnant and Teen Mom,” Kail said. “So she already shares all of those followers with me. Of course she’s gained her own … a very small fraction of those are on her own, but that already is from me.”
Kail went on to say that Vee isn’t the only person who has “capitalized off of me exploiting my life,” alleging that Jo, her ex-husband Javi Marroquin and Javi’s fiancée Lauren Comeau have done the same thing.
“ … None of the people who capitalized off of my following have ever thanked me in any way, shape or form,” Kail said later in the episode. “Vee has never said thank you to me, Jo has never said thank you to me, Javi has never said thank you to me, Lauren has never said thank you to me.
“And it’s not necessarily that I need a thank you, it’s just to be acknowledged that you are able to gain or benefit in some way from me exploiting my life,” Kail clarified.
Later in the episode, Kail spoke about how Vee benefitted from BMND, telling listeners she knew how much money Vee was making every month from their podcast, while also claiming that the house Vee and Jo moved into “was solely because of Baby Mamas No Drama.”
Regarding transparency– or rather, an alleged lack thereof– Kail said she doesn’t believe that the final episode of BMND was recorded “in full transparency by both parties,” and claims she’s now “being villainized” on social media for the way everything went down.
She also revealed that she sent an email to Vee after they decided to end their podcast, in which she expressed her feelings to Vee “in very clear, direct communication.” Because of this, Kail said Vee’s decision to remain silent about what really happened is “really upsetting.”
Kail said she also made it clear in her “hefty email” to Vee that “none of this is about Jo.”
Kail went on to say that, while people have called her out for keeping (some of her) pregnancies a secret, she believes that’s different than what both she and Vee did by keeping their co-parenting issues off of their podcast.
“ … We have presented her and our co-parenting dynamic in a way that is not accurate, but I only know that now,” she said. “I didn’t know that in the midst of it, too. I also want to speak to that, is when we’re out here presenting us as co-parents … we thought we were something we weren’t.”
Despite the way their podcast ended, Kail said she believes there’s still a world where she and Vee can work together in a capacity that both she and her KILLR Podcast Network support Vee and Vee’s other podcast, Vibin’ & Kinda Thrivin’; however, Kail said at the moment, she and Vee “need space.”
“ … and I absolutely need to work through this in therapy,” she added.
